14 July 2000:

Unfortunately I do not appear to have received a reply to this letter to you. Would you please be so kind as to do so to avoid another unpleasant incident.

                                                                                                                                                Castle O'er
                                                                                                                                                LANGHOLM

                                                                                                                                                14 June 2000
The Very Rev. Graeme Knowles
The Deanery
CARLISLE
CA3 8TZ

Dear Sir

I am writing to complain about an embarrassing incident which took place in the Cathedral on Monday, 12th June as I was showing some people I had brought to view the dinosaurs on Bishop Bell's tomb. This is something I have done many, many times before over a period of five or six years!

After I had pulled back the carpet and showed these people the brass work and was replacing the carpet I became conscious of a clergyman stood watching. He told me I had no business to remove the carpet and that anyone wishing to view the tomb had to obtain permission in writing so to do. This was most embarrassing, especially in front of these people and further because, although his outward stance was calm, he was seething with anger, pale in the face and voice trembling! I told him that I was told it was in order for me to do this providing it was done sensitively. He told me that; "Not even our people are allowed to do that without written permission." He did not ask me if I had permission and he then just walked away whilst I was speaking to him. As one of the guests said; "There wasn't much Christian fellowship in that conversation, was there?"

There was no question at any time of anyone being inconvenienced. There was no service in progress. I replaced the carpet exactly as I found it as I have done each time in the past.

I am a Bible believing Christian writer with a keen interest in such things. I was consulted some six years ago about the dinosaurs on Bishop Bell's tomb. I have directed hundreds of people to Carlisle Cathedral over the years to view this important brass work.

I understand, and support, the protection of the brass under the carpet but to view it the carpet has to be removed! The dinosaurs on it are far more than a piece of history, they are a great spiritual truth.

I trust that in future I will be able to show this brass work without embarrassment.

With Christian greetings.

Yours faithfully

R Bryce Kaye
 

Over a month later after sending Mr Knowles a reminder I received the following:
 

My reply:

                                                                                                                                            Castle O'er
                                                                                                                                            LANGHOLM

                                                                                                                                            28 July 2000
The Very Reverend Graeme P Knowles
The Deanery
CARLISLE
CA3 8TZ

Dear Dean

Thank you for your letter dated 17 July 2000 from which I assume you do not fully understand the significance of the dinosaurs on Bishop Bell's tomb.  With respect, if you did you would not be content to have them hidden away from view but would be shouting it from the roof tops.  I disagree with you; they do not in any way discredit the Christian faith.  Indeed they glorify Jesus which is my only objective.  In your own words you say they "...discredit the Cathedral..."  and in view of your present ruling this has turned out to be a prophetic statement!

The Bible clearly shows that the Noahian flood killed most of the dinosaurs.  There is a great deal of evidence to those who have an ear to hear that some were still around at the time of Bishop Bell's death.  These engravings show this also.  In other words that tomb and Bishop Bell are showing the Bible to be correct.  Dinosaurs are normally shown to a gullible public to 'prove' the earth is millions of years old and the Bible to be incorrect.  Bishop Bell is telling us from the grave that dinosaurs prove quite the reverse.  Dinosaurs were, of course, only 'discovered' in the late 18th century.  In other words evolutionists tell us that nobody could possibly have known what a dinosaur looked like between a supposed 60 million years ago to 1780 AD.  Bishop Bell's tomb shows this to be nonsense.

It is a crime that they are kept from view of the public.  I accept there is little I can do about it but publicise it.  I am not naive enough to think another letter from me will change your mind.  I do though, respectfully ask you to take a step back and prayerfully consider that you could be wrong.  Truth is always in conflict with the religious people of the time as Jesus found.

With Christian greetings.

Yours respectfully

R Bryce Kaye
 

Someone having a religious spirit honours what God has done in the past but does not accept what He is doing today.  Ritual takes over from a personal relationship with Jesus.  They become 'Religionists'.  They draw near to God with their lips but their hearts are far from Him.

The dinosaurs on the brass work of Bishop Richard Bell's tomb who died in 1496 in Carlisle is yet further proof that the Bible can be taken literally and it should be shouted from the roof tops!
 

We have received many emails on the subject of dinosaurs in Carlisle Cathedral from all over the world.  Here are just a very few:
 

Subject: I just found your site

Bryce Kaye

I just found your website.  I was recently at Creation 2003 presently in the USA.  It was sponsored by AIG and ICR.  A presentation was made on the dinosaurs engravings found at Carlisle Cathedral, where the Tomb of Bishop Richard Bell, Bishop of Carlisle 1478 – 1496 is located.  These references led me to your site.

I too am an evangelical Christian very interested in apologetics, Creation and support for the Young Earth.

At minimum I would like to introduce myself.  I would love to share any resource I might have that may be of use to you in your endeavors for the Kingdom of God.

I would also be interested in any additional dino photos you might from Carlisle Cathedral.

I am making a presentation on evidences for the coexistence of men and dinosaurs in two weeks for our local Creation Science Association. ETCSA.org.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Yours in His Service
Fred H----------
Knoxville, Tennessee
USA.
 

Hello Fred and thank you for getting in touch and for the encouragement.

 The photo on my web site was taken with lights and the lower ones with flash.  The cathedral authorities would not allow lights after the first try.  It is a very dark place (spiritually and physically!) and extremely difficult to take photographs in there.  However, on the bottom two strips you may be able to just make out three dinosaur shaped carvings.  These can be seen more clearly at the cathedral.

There are many dinosaur stories in the UK.  One example is in the north east of England near Newcastle where "worm" is the word for dragon.  There is the Lampton Worm, the Bamburgh Worm and another who's name escapes me at the moment.  In Wales the stories are about dragons and so on but all follow the same theme that a knight in shining armour slayed them.  Another one I came across the other month was a field called "Sharp Fight Meadow" in a village on the Essex/Suffolk border where 600 or 700 years ago two dinosaur type creatures fought to the death.  Then there is the Lochness Monster and many other monsters too.  The UK is riddled with these stories.  Many of the names in Wales particularly are associated with dinosaurs such as Cerrigydrudion (pronouced kerigadridion).  You will know about Job 40 and 41.  I'll see what else I can dig out.

I'll send you our bimonthly magazine Challenger, separately, in which forthcoming issues should have information on dinosaurs and man.

The Lord bless you.
Shalom
Bryce Kaye.
 

Bryce
Thanks for photos but, as you say, difficult to see even when I magnify the photo.  I see would looks like squiggly  snake or eel like images. Perhaps worms as you mention below.

Are you familiar with Dr. A------ at Leeds.  He was able to take 4 photos, which he will release to the world in an Answers in Genesis article.  He showed them at Creation 2003 in the US.  I provided him with info on your website and he has read through it.  He realizes the privilege he was granted to take to photos he did and will be more circumspect in the future.
Fred

Subject: dinosaurs in carlise cathedral

Hi there Bryce.
I have ben an interested reader in your site since I found it many months ago. As a Christian I have always had a keen interest in the Evolution/Creation debate and I support your stance totally. I found your story about "The Dinosaurs in Carlisle Cathedral" fascinating, as was the lengths that the religious authorities seem to go to to hide this fact. I wondered have you had any more correspondence from the "powers that be" since the ones posted on your website?
Regards
Neil.
 

Hello Neil, thank you for emailing me and for your encouragement about my web site.  No, I haven't been into Carlisle cathedral since then.  However, we have moved and live near Lincoln now - yes, I've been around the cathedral here too but seen nothing of interest!  I understand there are similar engravings at the church at Breedon on the Hill, Nottingham, if you live near there.  I post our bimonthly magazine we publish called Challenger which we produce in hard copy then convert it to email. Bryce.